I have been playing it at micros. It is fun, much simpler game with more gamble.
From what anyone of you has seen, is shortdeck growing? Will it possibly grow larger than PLO's player pool?
Jelle   Belgium. May 03 2020 11:55. Posts 3379
I really don't think anyone can predict what poker games will be popular in the future.
but the idea of short-deck holdem is literally like a scam. If I was programming bots for poker and I wanted to make more money, that's exactly the game I would have come up with. I get to keep my entire codebase from hold'em except all my expensive AI computations are now exponentially faster and human players' experience & intuition is voided.
I can't imagine that game staying popular but then again I thought poker was going to evolve away from bottable games and literally the opposite has happened so maybe my predictions aren't the greatest thing ever
gawdawaful   Canada. May 05 2020 22:20. Posts 8945
传奇sf合击how do you feel about the uh.. botability of plo or 5card plo Jelle?
Im only good at poker when I run good
whammbot   Belarus. May 06 2020 20:44. Posts 408
for live games and recreationals i prefer short deck. seems like the perfect game for rake/fish unlike nlhe where feels like everybody just gets shit cards all the time and folds. online i dont really know though, i feel like every game will eventually be figured out before it becomes super popular nowadays.
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Jelle   Belgium. May 07 2020 07:12. Posts 3379
On May 05 2020 21:20 gawdawaful wrote:
how do you feel about the uh.. botability of plo or 5card plo Jelle?
lol botability. I think you know what I'm gonna say but yeah more cards is definitely making programmers' lives harder. Then again if you have a solver for a game I think you can safely assume you're up against bots in your player pool
What you really want to piss off programmers is stuff like 'let's randomly have a 4-card flop or a 2-card turn once every 1000 hands" and "let's have 2 boards once every 1000 hands" and "let's play with random active stack sizes & number of seats". And you just regularly make small game-breaking changes that forces them to park their bots until they deal with it.
I think online poker desperately needs to go in a direction where botting and memorizing what to do just isn't a viable strategy. I don't know anything about Swap holdem but that was a good idea imo, I bet there were no bots or solvers for that and you had good games for a while (if people actually tried it) because they for sure weren't prepared for that mechanic
Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 09 2020 08:11. Posts 4665
i've tried short deck, i think its one of the worst games ever developed. There is very little skill to it, no bueaty in the game from a artistic or mathematical sense. It is good for chinese since the gamble is insanely big, edges are a bit smaller. Computationally it's extremely simple, so yeah, very easy to bot. I agree with Jelle.
The good games out there increase computational complexity. Swap holdem is one, its far more complex then normal holdem. (around 16384x decions preflop). Unfortunately stars made rake super high for the game.
Ive played swap and i enjoyed it. games are very soft at lower levels. would recommend for nl50 regs.
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 09 2020 11:00. Posts 15125
I hear of people destroying shot deck
but there's no future online for it 传奇sf合击
The rake is insanely high for one
Jelle   Belgium. May 09 2020 11:19. Posts 3379
On May 09 2020 07:11 Stroggoz wrote:
Unfortunately stars made rake super high for the game.